textus receptus vs codex sinaiticus

However, he states: “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation.” While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that this version “emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” He calls it a “remarkably good” translation. This is old news for many. this early version of the text, just as it would, perhaps, to the possibility that other Answer Save. Did James Tabor help write it? He is either Lord, liar, or lunatic. Amen” (Matthew 6:13). But I can tell you this; I use the King James Bible because 99% of all the manuscript evidence supports the Textus Receptus that underlies it. And why do we humans who take such pride in our organizational and community identities save in one kind of organization or community seem to save their harshest rebukes for each other for that matter, in this case Protestants against Catholics and vice versa? The devil is in the detail AGAIN. When it comes to a consideration of the authenticity of Siniaticus and Vaticanus, few academics seem to ask some very basic non-academic but practical questions such as: What about the recognized theory that John is the first gospel written? Dig into more than 9,000 articles in the Biblical Archaeology Society’s vast library plus much more with an All-Access pass. They are significant. The textus receptus was essentially a slogan used by the distributors of the KJV after it was error corrected and reprinted on the printing press. there is evidence of textual tampering, attempts at artificially aging the manuscript, and alleged bookworm tracks that start in the middle of the page. 95% of all NT Manuscripts agree, yet modern “scholars” reject the testimony of the Received text underlying the KJV English translation in favor of something that was discarded asking us to believe that the True Words of God were lost for hundreds of years making God a liar in His Promise of Preservation. However, the antiquity of these manuscripts is no indication of reliability because a prominent church father in Alexandria testified that manuscripts were already corrupt by the third century. 2 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV) Is it not because of these negatives that the world is so rotten as it is? Steve, you have the DNA of GOD in you. almost a millionaire…And so if my little stash is diminshed little by little who will care? The greater danger is not so much whether a version states such things AT ALL, but how many times the total testimony is weakened. One needs to study the various Codices and again ask why have certain critical aspects like (1) Jesus Christ being part of the Godhead, or (2) that we are saved only through Jesus Christ and his blood atoning sacrifice for our sins, have been changed or completely left out? Hope this is helpful to prevent some misunderstandings. The idea that “older is automatically better” has deceived many people when it comes to this text that was found by Tischendorf and used by Westcott and Hort and the like. All religions are based on truth claims. Two hundred years after Constantine Tischendorf’s birth, questions remain as to the conditions of his removal of Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherine’s Monastery. So no, the entire Codex Sinaiticus wasn’t going to be burned. May a non-Christian, non–Jewish reader of no particular faith point out that you would seem a much greater tribute to your respective Catholic and Protestant faiths were you to behave with more charity to each other and, with good will, attempt to dissipate all odium theologicum, replacing it with a more expansive spirit of brotherly/sisterly love and respect? A footnote on #46 above: Besides the New World Translation, the others were The Amplified New Testament, The Living Bible, The New American Bible With Revised New Testament, New American Standard Bible, The Holy Bible—New International Version, The New Revised Standard Version, The Bible in Today’s English Version, and King James Version. And presto, what do we have today? Consider another example. It was not something that they had to work out..DID HE or DIDN”T HE? Why not join us right now and start your own exploration? GREEN, SOVEREIGN GRACE TRUST FUND. I’ve known for a long time these differences existed, I just have never been able to figure out how these differences came to be. Better read Revelation 22:18 Absolutely NOTHING is missing from any of the Uncial Codices – Vaticanus c. 325–350, Sinaiticus c. 330–360, Alexandrinus c. 400–440 or Ephraemi c. 450. The ESV comes in a very distant third, and no others are even on the board. Just wish the world would realize that all organized religions are made up by mankind. When someone spoke the passage ended when the speaker finished. Sinaiticus has 9000 passages differently than Textus Receptus. Re: Textus Receptus/Bible Version Question Thanks for the reply again Radagast. Thanks. My mistake… 2 Cor 13:14 is in the CS. I am just saying. And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. Hooray for the proponents of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. Second, they use the Codex to show that several key parts of the New Testament showing the deity of Messiah are absent, and the Codex is more original. It is extremely common for King James Only advocates to conflate the “Majority Text” (M-Text) with the “Textus Receptus” (TR), or the tradition of printed Greek texts behind the King James Version. …this same author states “The practical effect of the W-H theory was a complete rejection of the “Syrian” text and an almost exclusive preference for the “Neutral” text (equals B and Aleph). Mystery Babylon that the apostle John writes of in the Unveiling of Christ (Revelation). What I think is significant is that the basic message of the bible hasn’t changed regardless of which Greek manuscript is used for translation into English. Corrupt Path – The ‘ Minority Text’ consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts . Instead.the Gospels end with a message of hope, (The Epilogue at the end of John was probably added later by a follower of Peter.) But regarding Mark, I would to point out another consideration. Go read the 18th chapter. There also was the first letter to the Corinthian church which described resurrection appearances and so on…..And there are numerous modern scholars (agnostic, Christian, not Christian—apparently also Jewish) who assert that belief in the physical resurrection rose up within the church immediately. Just like the serpent was doing the devils’ dirty work in the Garden of Eden where God walked and talked with our first parents, (and conquered – for a time), so too the devil has had his agents working to subvert and pervert Scripture……little by little, line by line, here a little there a little over many centuries. Read Edward F. Hills “Believing Bible Study”. It is the only uncialmanuscript with the complete text of the New Testament, and the only ancient manuscript of the New Testament written in four columns per page which has survived to the present day. Be Blessed, Chuck. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.”. 4 years ago. More so with Jesus deciples, they were not listening to remember but to learn. The word codex refers to these manuscripts being handwritten in codex or book form rather than on a scroll. This was the greatest moment in thier lives for all there and they would have been really focused on what the ciach had to say,. Robert, i too recently read the kj for the first time starting in may. think ian mportant thought, before general literacy the spoken word was all one had and the idea of quoting a past remark was not part of the culture. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. Both the Codex and the KJV Greek manuscripts show the diety of Yeshua in different ways! Unbelievable! Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500’s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherine’s monastery…used by Westcott and Hort to “rewrite” the KJV. King James I, 47 translators used the Textus Receptus ('Majority text') manuscripts for their English Bible. If I have 999, 999 dollar coins, one may conclude that I am a millionaire, even I might. Por "la Biblia del Sinaí" creo que te refieres al Codex Sinaiticus. text of Papyrus 46, In …no one can be certain about what God said in the first place. That is, assuming they existed….. Only 300 years away from the original manuscripts of the New Testament, it is highly important and considered … What is so important about the KJV being a translation from the Textus Receptus (received text)??? Jesus was hauled before Pilate for the Jewish religious Elite wanted Him dead, because they charged Jesus with blaspemy. (The International Standard Biblical Encylopedia) Clearly the Alexandrinus Codex is from Egypt. Amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls.” Who has bound the waters in His garments? Scribe D wrote the whole of Tobit and Judith, the first half of 4 Maccabees, the first two-thirds of the Psalms, and the first five verses of Revelation Scribe B was a poor speller, and scribe A was not very much better; the best scribe was D. … That reading is also found in a few Old Latin mss of the Gospels. Sep 9th 2010, 10:18 PM. It is a very important manuscript. Also, in Matthew 6:13, Codex Sinaiticus ends the Lord’s Prayer with the phrase “but deliver us from [the] evil [one]” (which is omitted above), but the doxology (“for thine is the kingdom…”) is absent. It would be understandable to me if the KJV (published in 1611) had been the first English translation. I dont know the history in exact of my great grand parents,how would we know ever about 400 generations ago. The KJV is actually a revision of an earlier translation; “The Bishop’s Bible” published in 1568. Your email address will not be published. After 10 minutes of conversation see who remembers exactly what was said 8 minutes ago. The person who wrote this is obviously undereducated read Mark 16:6!!! Even ‘back then’ there was an undue political influence and the personal interests of committee members affected the outcome – Scribe B was responsible for the Prophets and for the Shepherd of Hermas 3. But also the TaNaKh which gives the OT a different structure to consider, especially when you talk about prophets. Last time I looked poison is stil poison no matter what kind it is. In the 19th century, almost all Bible translations had a spurious Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7. Can these manuscripts be useful to Bible students today? Burgon, a supporter of the Textus Receptus, suggested that Codex Sinaiticus, as well as codices Vaticanus and Codex Bezae, were the most corrupt documents extant. Before Mark and Matthew and Luke, there was supposedly Q, M, L — all those other documents? I will want a copy of the oldest new testament it is written how Jesus says it should be. Hardly. Required fields are marked *. The manuscript has what is now considered the beginning of v. 55 and ending of v. 56 (rem: versification was added in 1551): “But he turned and rebuked them. So is the conclusion of the Lord’s Prayer: “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Loved reading and learning from your article. My question about, neither the son is there Until you have a personal experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, you cannot see the truth. Sinaiticus, In And no less so today. How is it that these ancient manuscripts lay forgotten (Siniaticus) or ignored (Vaticanus) for 1500 years or more? Makes me cringe if it really is the “best” and the “oldest”. Codex Sinaiticus (A) Codex Sinaiticus discovered from the Monastery of Saint Catherine at Sinai 1844. But do it with a sincerely open mind. http://www.sinaiticus.net/, Sinaiticus – authentic antiquity or modern? Thanks hope i will learn alot in this website…But i want to ask who translated “The Amplified bible version”? If anyone is interested, a good place to start is the work of Dr Cooper. And Christ replied to them, To learn more about the details concerning contextual criticism of the Textus Receptus (the text which is based upon the churches traditional manuscripts that have been accepted throughout the church age), and Codex Sinaiticus (the manuscript which was discovered in the 19th century, and was also claimed to be the oldest and most reliable biblical text), watch the video below entitled “Is the … Now do this over 5 days for 1 to 3 hours a day and see how much you remember, at the end from the first, second etc days tslks. Space does not allow me point out the mutilation of Codex Vaticanus (B). But understand that back then they probably did not quote scripture in that numerical manner: And they excused themselves, saying, “This age of lawlessness Hundreds of english Bible versions, and most of them are ONLY making small changes ..INSIGNIFICANT changes which over time become gradually accepted. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Mark’s Gospel. In the end days, knowledge shall increase. No one was copying the thought in ant way, it now was a part of each hearers memory and as such will be changed a bit by each hearer. It must be stated that most modern versions/translations still have statements in their pages that will support the divinity of Jesus Christ and His work on earth and on the cross, and all or most of His message etc. For those who wish to expand their knowledge of Bible versions and what is missing, and more importantly why, I suggest you watch the attached Walter Veith videos on youtube as a starting point. The catholic “church” is a Roman institution of anti-Christ idolatry. contends that Tischendorf should be considered a hero, not a thief, “Tischendorf on Trial for Removing Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament.”, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRCVDmiAts, https://books.google.com/books/about/In_the_Beginning.html?id=C8Nw_SN2zgYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false, https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524, http://www.revisedstandard.net/text/WNP/id_3.html, http://purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNv-zzpIwBs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqBEuxGY7DI, http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200270815, Solving the Enigma of Petra and the Nabataeans, Video lectures from world-renowned experts, Four books published by BAS and the Smithsonian Institution, Instant access to the complete tablet edition back-issue catalog of. Fact is you choose to suppress it, and by doing so you distance yourself from the Grace of GOD. Papyrus 38, In However, this addition does not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts. It was given to the Vatican from the East and was pretty well hidden away although not totally forgotten, Erasmus in compiling Textus Receptus was told of it but warned of its unreliability and so he ignored it. Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. From which scriptures did he translate? The Apocripha/Deuterocanonicals is present in Sinaiticus. I want to cringe. Mark 1.41 – MISTAKE. For example, the resurrection narrative at the end of Mark (16:9–20) is absent from the Codex Sinaiticus. Ask yourself this. What does it say? Much modern textual scholarship will be undermined and further investigations into the motives of the people involved will be needed. 25 original letters absent, for a total of 58 letters’ worth of corruption. Vaticanus originally contained a complete copy of the Septuagint("LXX") except for: 1. Each of these three codices "clearly exhibits a fabricated text – is the result of arbitrary and reckless recension." We did not command it…yet We bestowed on those among them who believed, their due reward, but many of them are rebellious.”. Pilate flatly told the Jewish leaders that he found NO FAULT in this man. Little doubts often repeated become entrenched in the mind and eventually produce either a serious warning, or a platform for lies. I can answer the first question here in part from my own experience. check out this documentary by Abduhla Films called “Bridge To Babylon” the textual variant “Jesus, angry, stretched out his hand and touched him…” is in the Codex Bezae, not in the Codex Sinaíticus. In my own experience, for over thirty years, when I have raised the question of what is the correct Greek text of the New Testament, regardless of audience, the usual response has been: “What difference does it make?” The purpose of this article is to answer that question, at least in part.” (APPENDIX II, A COMPARISON BETWEEN SIX MAJOR BIBLE VERSIONS, VOLUME II, UNHOLY HANDS ON THE BIBLE. If we speak of provenance in an art museum, we know where the picture has been since it was painted by the artist. 1-4 Maccabees 2. 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